In that case I know what I get although I prefer new books
Presently I have Tschai in the vie edition on the reading table. wondering if I will See changes
How about others ??
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Which book from Jack are you (rereading) Now? |
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Because of reasons that are not always clear I choose to reread books including books from my Vance collection.
In that case I know what I get although I prefer new books Presently I have Tschai in the vie edition on the reading table. wondering if I will See changes How about others ?? |
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Infinite Chun |
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Presently reading The Killing Machine. I'm working my way through all the Demon Princes books for the second time. I last read them years and years ago; and, I think, didn't really realise their quality at the time. I'm getting much more from them now (for which I've got the denizens of this board to thank).
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axolotl |
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Just been rereading the Durdane trilogy over the past months, in the course of my translation work. I must say I enjoyed that tremendously, and my appreciation of the second and third volumes rose significantly. Although I still rank the first volume quite above the two others, I found more merit in #2 and #3 than I used to.
Translation work means you really have to immerse yourself in a book, it's a fascinating experience. |
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David B Williams |
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A few days ago, I posted a list of Vance books I sent to General Sun and asked the list which title he should read first. The consensus seemed to be City of the Chasch, and to test the matter I picked up the Tschai omnibus and began to read the first few pages. I am now past page 100. Like Chun, I am noting things that I had forgotten or never noticed before (and also a lot of typos; good thing the VIE didn't have to rely on this edition).
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Ridolph |
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Lyonesse, The Green Pearl. I alter new books with old books from my collection, and once in a while I treat myself to re-read a Vance.
Lyonesse still reads marvelous. |
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David B Williams |
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Especially The Green Pearl. The middle books of trilogies are notorious for being "bridge" material that usually isn't as focused or exciting as the first and last volumes. I don't think this is true for Lyonesse.
I particularly like the tale of the green pearl itself. The pearl's peregrinations and what happens to the people (and other species) who possess it (or vice versa) could be extracted and stand as a very good novelette, all by itself. |
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rmelson |
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Just finished Cugel the Clever a couple of days ago. I have to admit that I went about 8 months without reading ANY Vance at all. After VIE wave II arrived last summer, I spent about 6 weeks (re)reading nothing but Vance, and I'd also read a lot before that as a VIE volunteer (I noticed on a list that was published that I was a very distant second to Axo in the number of words read). What's next? Maybe Last Castle or the Miracle Workers.
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David B Williams |
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You are into The Killing Machine now, but I happened to receive a British edition of Star King the other day and read through the first chapter for olde tyme's sake. You noted, "I last read them years and years ago; and, I think, didn't really realise their quality at the time."
I want to call attention to how craftily Vance eases into the story in the first few pages of Star King. He is beginning a five-volume series with a vast background -- the Oikumene, the Beyond, Gersen's mission, and all that. For writers, this is the Great Problem in SF, how to provide the reader with gobs of information the reader wouldn't need in a mundane novel. Vance starts by introducing us to Smade and gives us a look around Smade's Tavern and Smade's planet, thus providing a very small peek at the Oikumene/Beyond setting. We meet Gersen without any backstory, we meet a Star King without explanation, and we meet a locater. But no info-dumps. In each paragraph, Vance gives us just enough information to get to the next paragraph. We enter the story step by dainty step, never stumbling over a big long paragraph of narrative explanation. As I mentioned earlier, I'm dipping into Chasch, and that's a much easier set-up for the writer: Like the reader, Adam Reith knows nothing about Tschai, so after the excitement of his crash landing and capture, the reader can learn about the planet and its rival species while Reith learns about them. |
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Ed Winskill |
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Very well put, David, about Jack's techniques. Why is minimalism not prized more widely? Matt has often pointed out how modern publishers of popular fiction want it supersized just like at the fast-food joints.
As for the Demon Princes in general, as I've often said, I've reread them truly countless times. I first read Star King in Galaxy, when Malagate was Grendel the Monster; I read Palace of Love second, and eventually found Killing Machine and got to find out about the hustle at Interchange at last. Like many, I searched and searched in vain til I finally figured out that Jack had never finished the series. Then I discovered The Face and Book of Dreams a couple of years after they came out. I was delighted that they were up to the original standard, but I distinctly remember being jarred by the "uncle" in Face in place of grandfather. It was obviously a mistake, but rather strange, since the narrative showed that Jack hadn't forgotten anything else. Speaking of minimalism, the DP series we have often compared to The Count of Monte Cristo; a tale of revenge on many malfeasors, expedited by the hero's discovery of inexhaustable wealth. The Count is another of my favorite books. Like most 19th century stuff, minimalist it's not..... |
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halsey |
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The CoMC is one of the greatest adventure yarns of all time. Ed's comparison with Kirth Gerson and the DP's is quite apt. Likewise, in Alfred Bester's great Tiger! Tiger!/The Stars My Destination Gulliver Foyle plays the Count and takes revenge on numerous malefactors, using the unlimited wealth gained by his ability to teleport.
Are there any other SF stories that cover the CoMC? Eric |
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Knygathin |
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I want to reread the Lyonesse trilogy. I only have the Berkley and Ace editions.
Starting with Suldrun's Garden, would it be alright if I switch the reading order of chapters 25 and 26? Or is there a big chunk of text in
chapter 26 that first needs to be transfered to 25?
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David B Williams |
Another proof... | #11 | ||
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...if one were needed, that you can't judge books by their covers (another of Baron Bodissey's Succinct Apothegms?).
As with typography, I have never been discouraged from reading a book by its poorly designed/executed cover (especially if the cover announced the author as Jack Vance). Some of you wankhers out there are just picky, picky, picky. |
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Knygathin |
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David B Williams wrote:Why you collect Vance paperbacks, and keep them in plastic bags. Picky, picky, picky. It's a sensual thing, sitting with the book in your hands and lap, or on the table. The appearance of a book is important. If the book is unattractive in an obvious manner, it forms a distraction. (On the other hand, I don't mind reading a simple pile of sheets with text, that's the cleanest way to take part of a story. No elements of possible misguided esthetic pretensions from other hands.)
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opiate taylor |
Always re-reading something by Vance | #13 | ||
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My wife recently began to appreciate Vance, so I am reading The Eyes of the Overworld to her nights and she has
started Suldrun's Garden on her own and absolutely loves it so far. I just started Ports of Call for the first time. I've had the PoC/Lurulu omni for a few years now,
but wanted to save it for a time when I could really savor every page. Recently I finished Galactic Effectuator for
the first time and I really enjoyed it. I am thinking about re-reading the Demon Princes series next after seeing that many of you guys are doing the same. I
have read Tschai, Durdane, the Alastor books, The Dying Earth books, and The Grey Prince many times over and I am sure
I will read them again. And that list is nowhere near complete. I anxiously await the compact five-volume VIE mentioned in another thread recently. Perhaps
I will finally get a chance to read the mysteries!
Felicibus brevis, miseris hora longa.
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Opiate, that's really cool that you are reading Eyes of the Overworld to your wife! Many years ago I read both Cugel books to my wife and
daughter, and it was great fun for us. There were times when we would all be laughing so hard that we were falling off the furniture. Wonderful.
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We have had the same experience a few times already since we started it. She loves Cugel and is amazed at the trouble he creates for himself.
Felicibus brevis, miseris hora longa.
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David Pierce wrote:Eyes of the Overworld, with its casual misogyny and recurrent intimations of sexual violence, is not exactly the kind of book I would expect my wife to enjoy. |
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Jojo Lapin X |
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Carrasco wrote:But you could train your wife to enjoy casual misogyny and recurrent intimations of sexual violence. |
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David B Williams |
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About four weeks ago, I entered another manic phase and, after not reading Vance for several months I consumed, continuously and consecutively, The Demon
Princes, Durdane, Rhialto, The Dragon Masters, Maske: Thaery, Ports/Lurulu, and the Cadwal Chronicles, more than one million words of Vance. Whew! I
finally forced myself to break off and am now plowing through a really dull and infinitely detailed history of Lord Burghley in Elizabeth I's reign.
Hopefully, things will pick up when I get to the chapter on the Armada.
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Sarnidac the Dwarf |
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David B Williams wrote:These are my favorites as well (with the exception of the last volume of TCC, and adding The Eyes of the Overworld), but your not mentioning Tschai must certainly be an oversight.
Ambulo, ergo sum!
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Knygathin |
Not exactly rereading... | #20 | ||
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I am in the middle of reading Space Opera for the first time. One of the few books I have not read before. And yet it feels familiar. Here is a favorite section so far: " ... Sirius planet is a rather dim place, about as bright as an Earth twilight. One's eyes rapidly adapt to the dimnes and the landscape takes on a weird charm. .......... byzantaurs, probably the most civilized tribe of the planet. Like the landscape, I fear they will seem initially ugly to your eyes, and they are certainly not anthropoid. The have four arms and four legs, and what appear to be two heads, but these latter simply contain the sense organs, as the brain is in the body itself. In spite of their nightmarish appearance they are responsive creatures, quite ready to adopt those human manners, methods, and institutions which seem useful to them. This is especially true of ..., who have a settled existence in their caves. They derive their livelihood by a kind of agriculture, and their lichen terraces are extremely interesting." The weird charm of the Sirius dimness, it's as if it never happened. And yet Vance is able to extract it, out of Earth twilight. Very subtle, and cosmically ringing true. Vance is unique in his profound sensibility. "The have four arms and four legs, and what appear to be two heads, but these latter simply contain the sense organs, as the brain is in the body itself." What great stuff! This is the Vancean horror I love! Kind of Lovecraftian, at yet unique to Vance in its refinement and humour. Reminds me of the unrestrained imagery in such favorites as Meet Miss Universe. Think, in the year of 2009, to still discover such Vance gems!!!!! 45 year old treasures unearthed today. I feel very privileged! Some may say that Vance is at his best in capturing the human condition. But I say THIS is Vance at his best! Such bizarre things, of distilled intenseness, are generally limited to his early work, and short-stories. Vance's longer, and newer works, are more polished up. For example, in Night Lamp, while beautifully written, I don't remember a single strange creature. It's as if he thinks, "I am grown-up now, must write in a mature way, can't have any of those childish monsters." |
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